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What does the law say about your compliance with health mandates?

The law is on your side even when you don’t want to comply with health mandates that don’t align with your beliefs. And Peggy Hall knows all about what the law actually states.

In this episode of The True Health Report, you’ll meet Peggy — a kindred force for freedom who became an outspoken advocate for justice during the pandemic.

We dive into:

• The failures of modern public education
  
• The benefits of self-organized learning environments
  
• The rights you actually have when it comes to mandates
• And how Peggy has helped thousands of people stand up for themselves

Peggy’s YouTube channel, legal resources, and tireless advocacy have empowered so many to navigate the injustices we all faced during the plandemic. I couldn’t think of a better guest to join me in breaking down the relationship between health, law, and justice.

 Listen now on Apple Podcasts and Spotify too!

Topics covered in this podcast episode:

• How Peggy first became interested in the law and medical rights
• Concerns about university education and if it’s even necessary
• The benefits of self organized learning environments 
• Problems with the public school system as it stands
• How Peggy supported individuals to stand up for their medical rights
• The confusion around federal and state laws for public accommodations 
• The 3 main states Peggy had the most people reaching out for support
• What Peggy did to educate businesses on how they could stay open
• How the airline industry was working with the government to violate your rights
• What is needed to “prove” you don’t want to comply based on religious views
• The 3 main ways employers denied employees who didn’t want to get vaccinated
• How to go about arguing your own legal case without an attorney
• Outcomes of cases that were taken to court about vaccinations
• Reasons you may not want to accept a settlement
• The 1 thing Peggy wishes everyone knew about their medical rights
• Resources Peggy created to help people advocate for themselves

“Follow the law, not the science.”
Because you can call something “science” — but that doesn’t mean it’s real, true, or accountable to anyone.

There’s corruption in the legal system too — but when you understand how to hold institutions accountable, justice can be served. That’s what Peggy has shown through her own tireless research, advocacy, and stick-to-itiveness.

Follow Peggy on YouTube: The Healthy American
More from Peggy: TheHealthyAmerican.org

Meet: Peggy Hall

Peggy Hall, Founder of The Healthy American, is a national leader in the freedom movement dedicated to “breathing life back into liberty.”

She’s the former Director of Teacher Education at the University of California, Irvine, with over 30 years in education. She holds a B.A. in Political Science and a Master’s in International Relations — plus years of experience as a health educator and community activist.

Through educational videos, legal research, and action-based programs, Peggy has helped parents, business owners, and Americans across the country reclaim their rights and protect their freedom.

Connect w/ Dr. Andrew Kaufman

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The unedited podcast transcript for this episode of the True Health Report follows

I personally would recommend really looking carefully at a college education, it takes you out of your ability to earn money for several years or going to be taking loans that are government loans that are never forgiven, even in bankruptcy. And what I've really realized is that these universities are just another arm of the government.

Welcome to the True Health Report. I'm Dr. Andy Kaufman, recovering physician planned demic, whistleblower, natural healing pedagogue and legal code talker. You can call me the Truth Doctor. My mission is to shift your paradigm as we dive into radical forensic dissections, discerning fact from. Fiction Science from Pseudoscience Medicine, from Poison Law, from legal fiction, and individualism from collectivism.

This podcast is your channel for unraveling the truth about health and science. Together we'll challenge the narratives, expose the fallacies, and empower you to become your own health authority. This is the True Health Report where. A critical appraisal fuels true freedom.

Hello everyone and welcome to the True Health Report. I'm your host, Dr. Andrew Kaufman. Tonight's issue, what if you didn't have to comply with health mandates that don't align with your beliefs? The law is actually on your side, and so is my guest today, Peggy Hall. Peggy has been an amazing advocate.

For justice in the era of the pandemic and her website, the healthy american.org and her podcast on YouTube have been instrumental in educating people about their rights, how to advocate themself, and how to deal with the injustices that we faced during the pandemic years. So please welcome to the stage Miss Peggy Hall.

I am so happy to be here. Thank you. Oh, you're, it's really a pleasure and I couldn't think of a better guest to come on and talk about the relationship between health and justice. Peggy I'd like to introduce, a little bit of how you came onto this. Stage. So can you tell us, when did you first become interested in law, the constitution, our rights and such?

Perhaps as an academic subject or as something that you wanted to take direct action in? I think I was about in fourth grade actually. We had a, what was called back then a foreign exchange student, and I grew up in Orange County, California and I really didn't know anybody that looked different than me.

We had a boy that was from Samoa and he looked different than the rest of us. He had an accent, he had different, cultural traditions and so forth. And sadly, as fourth graders often will do, they will tease and poke fun and make jokes, and I was mortified. I. Felt for this, boy, and I thought, how horrible to be treated like this just because you look different, you speak different, you act differently.

And I always had within me just this desire to help the underdog, so to speak. And I think that really was my first awakening at a young age of this isn't fair and this isn't right. So I guess that could fall in the category of justice or caring for your rights or doing the right thing, I guess could be other phrases as well.

And that was the first memory that I had of really wanting to tell others, this isn't right. Like we all should care about. Lemme put it this way, everyone is different and that's okay. I wanted later to make that be a broader message. And so when I went into my college studies, I.

I decided to study political science because I was interested in political systems in different cultures. Why there are laws, why we obey authority, who has the right to tell us what to do? I just was one of those people that was really interested in government and how it works. And back in the day we had classes called civics, and I don't even think civics is taught anymore the way it was when I was in school.

So I've always been fascinated about governments, different cultures, people from different countries, and that propelled me forward in my path. And then an interesting thing happened to me when I was doing my political science studies and one of the classes I took was called the Mock Congress.

Now I'm not talking about mocking Congress. There's plenty of mocking we can do, and this was another one. Of these seminal moments that I would say, so fourth grade and then maybe my sophomore year in college where we were all assigned different roles and we were either a congress person or we were a lobbyist.

And we literally were going to act this out throughout the, it was on a quarter system throughout the entire quarter, university of California. And we were going to have meetings and we would have special interests that we wanted to push through. And I remember going to the first actual event where we had these roles and we were supposed to be diplomatic and making alliances, and I literally could not participate.

I felt that this just wasn't for me. I couldn't. Pretend that I was on someone's side, that I really wasn't, I didn't care for the glad handing and the trying to get someone's, favoritism. And I looked around at the other people that were loving it, that probably today are our senators and congressmen, and I realized.

A career in politics, at least in the way I was being introduced to it was not going to be for me. So then I shifted gears and I thought I'll just go on to law school because I really am interested in truth and justice and fairness. I love to debate. I love to. Con, draw conclusions from evidence.

I love critical thinking. I love to analyze and research and I thought this is perfect for me. I love to speak. So I thought, this is great. I am going to be on the side of justice and as life takes its turns and so forth. And I ended up, after doing my bachelor's degree, I took a year off and I traveled around Europe.

And I really started thinking about what it is I wanted to do. And I went back to that first love of different cultures, different societies, people, all of those things that were of an interest of mine. And I decided instead of law school to go on for a master's degree in international policy and law.

And so I immersed myself in. Middle Eastern studies and interestingly, things really haven't changed in the decades since I was in school. The same problems are there and not a lot of solutions have come forth. Of course, I thought I had all solutions, Peggy, this, it's a, first of all, it's fascinating to me that we have so many parallel experiences.

For example, the, congress that you talked about that you did in college. So we had in high school, and this was like a, throughout the entire New York City school system and even outside counties, there was Model Congress Club. And we would go for like weekend long trips and we would be, in various committees, either be in the house or the senate.

And people would propose bills and we would debate them and then bring them to the house floor. The same process. But we didn't use lobbyists and we didn't have the jaded understanding of how the political system really works, like it sounds like you did. So it was more of an organic experience of, debate and consensus building.

And what happened was, is that. In the debates, if you really made the best points, people voted for your, in your favor. And so it's such a contrast with your experience in the university level. Where you're basically using all of the influence and the manipulation of the real political system, whereas we were just like trying to make decisions about how to live, and we did it in a way that was generally favorable and fair, but in reality it's more like college.

So what's your opinion of. University education these days would you send your own children to college? Do you have some concerns there? It's interesting because I wanted to go on for a PhD after I did my master's degree. And I just realized when I was doing this the master's degree, the liberal approach and the.

Information that was being promoted was something that I just, that wasn't resonating with me, and I realized I don't want to be a part of this system. I actually went on to work for the University of California Irvine as the director of teacher education for their professional development. So after the K 12 teachers got their credentials, there was a whole nother load of responsibilities on them, and every year they had to continue their.

Studies and so forth. And that really hit home for me in terms of our educational system is broken. These teachers have so many demands on them. They are teaching for these tests, standardized tests. They have unbelievable amounts of responsibility outside of just the basics that, students really need.

And I tried to salvage what I could and the classes that I taught. About how to teach teachers how to teach, was that was always focused on student-centered learning, on discovery and exploration, not teaching to a test, not having final exams and so forth. So for many years, this was my profession, working in the university system, working in the community college system, working in private universities.

I did that for 30 years, I would say. And every time, I'm a person of optimism and I thought, I can change this. I can have an impact. We can work against the system and make some headway. And perhaps there were successes along the way. I also trained the incoming professors at the university who were teaching in the adult education programs that had never taught before, but they had real life experience.

So helping them, create curriculums and syllabi and so forth. So I think that had an impact, but it was a creeping realization. All along the way that this is not a good fit for me. In fact, this entire conglomeration, this con, this entire outfit of teaching. At the university level, I think it's overpriced.

There are too many levels of management. I saw so much waste, I'm not gonna call it fraud, although I did have some colleagues that were fired from the university under, fraudulent investigations and so forth. So I personally would recommend really looking carefully at a college education. It takes you out of your ability to earn money for several years.

Unless you were like me and I worked part-time, you actually most likely are going to be taking loans that are government loans that are never forgiven, even in bankruptcy court. Although, I guess if you were had these loans under are Biden, they were forgiven or tried to be forgiven. And I'm not sure that Temporarily.

Yeah, temporarily. And yeah, all the plumbers and electricians can pay for the people who went to college. So I really recommend looking at that more carefully. And I think there are far better ways. Let me give you a quick example. So in the work that my husband and I have done over the last several years, helping college students in addition to employees and nursing students and legal immigrants and others.

Stand by their rights and not become human pin cushions as I call them. In the work that I did, we had one case in particular that I remember, there was a young adult and his mom was paying for him to go to art school in New York, and he was in his junior year and they were really pressuring him to get vaccinated to be able to stay in the program.

We think back to that New York and California were some of the most difficult states in order to stand up for your rights. They really, in the colleges were focusing and, pinpointing these students who were I don't wanna say gullible, but they hadn't lived enough to actually know that they could stand up and speak out and stand up for themselves.

So that's what we did. We're having a conversation with the student. And his mom and I asked him, what is it that you want to do with your degree here in, I think it was going to be art history. And he said what I really wanna do is I wanna work in an art gallery. And I said, oh, tell me more about that.

And he started describing his ideal career. He himself came to the realization on this phone call and he said to his mom, you know what, mom? I don't think I need to stay in school. I could go get a job now. I could work in this art field. I could get a job in an art studio. He said I would get more experience working now in an art gallery than I would in school, and I would be making money.

I could serve as an apprentice. And I can really learn more practical skills. And he himself made the decision to not complete his degree. And this is not an isolated case. I've heard from other students that. When they were sent home because the schools were shut down and they didn't want to continue learning on Zoom, that they decided to actually open their bakery or do what it is that they wanted to do after college.

And after all those, college loans. And now they would have more money, they would have more experience, they could look for apprenticeships. And those are all of the things that I recommend. I can't even find an electrician out here where I live. So people who are thinking about actually a career.

Where they could have job opportunities galore. It's not necessarily getting like a liberal arts degree in college. No I completely agree with you and the way that I currently make a living, everything I learned to do that was not in school at all. Not one thing. Absolutely. And many people that's true.

In fact, some of the most successful business people in our nation's history. Either dropped out of school or never went to college because they were already running a business at that age, or perhaps it was their third or fourth different enterprise. And and I don't think, you're relying too much on your education right now either.

Because the thing is, we're all capable of learning independently. In fact, it's our nature. Have you ever heard of self-organized learning environments? Tell me more about that. So this is based on a British researcher who did experiments in India where he found that if you just supply a small group of children, a computer, yes, and ask them to answer really difficult questions in a language that they don't speak at all.

That they can basically figure out how to speak your language and answer the questions very thoroughly all on their own, with only like a grandmother figure to occasionally help them with something on on standby. I saw, I see that Dr. Andy. I did read about that. It was stunning. Yeah, it's fascinating.

And it won the $1 million Ted prize to do further research and they replicated this in additional rural communities in India and even in the uk in poor communities. And, this just demonstrates that we essentially, especially in our younger years, are just sponges, like our natural curiosity and drive.

Will lead us to acquire all this information and understanding really without having some teacher figure spoonfeed it to us, right? So if we stimulate that kind of inspiration and motivation in the young people, then really the university education it becomes superfluous. Now, I do lament the fact that the.

Academic institution as a vehicle of, curiosity debate, fierce debate, right? Of entertaining any creative ideas is, has been really lost if it ever truly existed. I. But we do have this virtual world where we can exchange ideas in this way before us. That we don't have to rely on buildings that have Ivy growing up the side any longer.

Exactly. We're in an amazing time where we have access to unlimited resources and even in years gone by, there were books even if we didn't have the internet. And what I've really realized is that these universities are just another arm of the government. They are so bloated with different research departments.

They're getting money. Our tax dollars actually, yes. And the teaching is secondary. I was, I also taught in a community college, many community colleges where I would have about 50 students compare that to a lecture hall. Now this is in California where you have 500. You certainly don't know the professor.

They're there just reading off, out of their textbook. And they have TAs that are doing the work. So it's not a very, there are superior learning alternatives and this is one of them. And I will say that this self-directed learning, and I've had several guests on my YouTube channel, the Healthy American speaking about I don't really like to call it homeschooling.

I call it freedom learning or lifelong learning, or. Family led learning. There are so many great phrases and there are lots of leaders in this area, and I really believe that this revolution in our educational settings, this is what is really going to strengthen our communities, our country. I believe that this is why we are in the fix that we are in because children learned to not question authority to go along with it.

To memorize and regurgitate and not be critical thinkers to do only what was allowed of them during that time. And there are so many superior ways of learning. So I have heard from many parents that are taking the, first step and they're removing their children from public school. Do you know in California now, in the, post in the last few years when the schools were closed.

I've read reports that about a million fewer students have returned to public school in California. And that to me is a huge win. Wow. That is, that, that's tremendous. And this is how my kids learn ever since 2020 as well. And, you see them really, they're different from other kids when we're out in places where there are other.

Kids their age roaming around you, you see a big difference. But here's the interesting thing, is they know how to relate to those kids on their level. That's great. And they know what may be some sensitive subjects that maybe you don't discuss in mixed company, right? But they have no problem navigating that and it's just really natural.

Peggy, you have though taken education far, beyond what's in formalized schooling or, which is really, we could say is not education. I. You have provided these amazing resources over the past couple of years. Some, I've recommended some of your forms to many people who faced situations at their job where they were, asked to suffocate themselves or become pin cushions as you described.

So can you talk a little bit about like the ways that you've helped people? And I know you still have resources available. We'll list at the end. What are some of the outcomes that people have had, like when they've taken the, taken it into the court system? Lemme tell you how I came upon that.

When everything was shut down in California in March of 2020, I. I was looking around saying, this isn't right there. The governor doesn't have the authority to tell me not to go to work. He doesn't have the authority to close. He could close the schools because they're government schools. He doesn't have the authority to close restaurants and businesses and churches, for example.

And I remember just doing a quick search online to see under what authority the governor was using to call this emergency. Given my interest in politics and law and research and civics and all of that, I just, I found the Emergency Services Act and I was reading it and I said, even if this was valid, it doesn't meet the standard of what.

Is required for an emergency, a state of emergency to happen in California. So what I did is I just made a video and I actually had to create a YouTube channel, and I was so frustrated trying to talk to people, including a church I had attended. I emailed them saying, there's no law that you have to close the church.

Those who don't wanna show up for fear of getting sick, they can stay home. Others that wanna show up, they probably need spiritual care now more than ever. A lot of people are living in fear and uncertainty, and they're not sure what's going on their world as they know it has been shattered intentionally by the media.

And I sent maybe three or four emails to different churches in the area to let them know that they could still hold services and. I only heard back, I think from two who said, oh, thank you for the info, but we are going to close out of an abundance of safety. One of those phrases that rubs me the wrong way.

So I thought I'm getting nowhere with having arguments on Facebook with people unfriending me and so forth. So I made this video to get to a wider audience and say, look, you have rights. You have a right to go shopping, breathing oxygen. If you own a restaurant, you don't have to shut it down. And if you have a small business, you can keep it open.

And here's why. And I just simply stated their rights and the California laws. I got so many people emailing me, asking me for help in their state or with their specific situation. And they wanted me to direct them to different resources, so I decided to create things online that people could download or at least link to and so forth.

I think the very first information that I sent out was about this concept of public accommodations. Every private business that is open to the public, like a, hair salon or a bakery or a movie theater, including larger places like hospitals and public places like courtrooms and parks and so forth.

You have a so called pub public accommodations, right under, that's right. Federal law. That's it. The public accommodations law. There are federal laws and there are state laws, and people got a little confused with the word public, but the definition is not only public places, but private enterprises.

You, they are required to allow you, not even allow you, but you have the right to enter these places if they're open, just like anyone else, breathing oxygen. And that was the real sticking point for a lot of people. They couldn't go grocery shopping. They were unable to go to their gym, or, the nail salons were basically closed down.

I'm trying to think of places that were really pushing. I call 'em the suffocation devices because they're, you're a doctor. We don't need to be Dr. Snow. We only have two airways and we need to keep them unobstructed. And so I started creating little handouts and flyers for people that they could just show a card at Walmart or something and say, Hey I have a right to enter.

You can't discriminate against me. And that was really powerful. And I, not the cards themselves, but the confidence that people gained from having a little card that said, and it wasn't a permission slip, it was an informational card and it had the laws listed. So again, as a teacher, I wanted to educate people how to inform others, and it was very successful.

So that just led to more teaching, more research. And then I did a whole. Theories of handouts and breaking down laws. Peggy, lemme yeah, if I could interrupt for a minute, I wanna, just make one comment. I'm sure you agree with this, but anytime any governmental body declares any kind of emergency, you know that what's coming right after that is some, they're taking something away from you.

Absolutely. And that's essentially the excuse to do that. And we can give countless examples in the history of our nation. And of course this is no exception and we may have a drone related emergency coming up at any day now as well. But the second thing I want to say is, with respect to the success stories because I used a similar approach in my area and I was in New York where some places were extremely strict about these rules.

And what I realized over time is that the stores that were run by big corporations like Walmart and Target and the grocery chains, et cetera, they were respecting your rights once, once they understood it, and even, by presenting a card like you were much more likely to be okay there, especially I was even offered protection at my local grocery chain, Wegmans.

From other shoppers that may, try to harass me for being bare faced. But I, because as soon as the immediate, closures, I know you don't like the word ld once they ended right, they were like, three or four or six weeks or whatever. I wanted to go and patronize the locally owned stores because I thought they're hurting for business.

They were screwed the most. The big box stores were allowed to stay open, and those stores treated me the worst by far. They would not let me shop, or I, at one art supply store, I, had a whole cart full of art supplies. And they would not let me actually buy them, like they let me walk around the store for 25 minutes.

Yeah. That's the lack of reason and logic. And I think it has to do with lack of oxygen. They literally, and fear they could, they were not in their right minds. They were thinking irrationally. And the other thing Dr. Andy is because they were camouflaged I'm sure there's something psychologically to this.

Oh. Space that they could be more of a bully because you couldn't really see them or identify them. I don't know if that was intentional, but I'm sure that it emboldened them because their face was hidden. Yes. No, it absolutely, think about, they had to change laws in many states, including in New York because it was a criminal offense to go into certain buildings with wearing a mask like a.

Now, because I have a little hobby I study police encounters and self-defense encounters. And I have noticed that many criminals since Covid, they are like going into stores pretending they're wearing CO type masks, but as a pretense for an armed robbery, that's horrible. Yeah. My bank had a sign.

You had to wear a mask and it said, remove your sunglasses and hat. I'm like, oh, that's really going. That's really Now I'm on the record. Hashtag Never have, never will. I was in California, but I was in Orange County and we had pockets of freedom and we really were a very, I would say New York and California were two of the most vocal.

States in pushing back. And I think it's because they, the oppression and the tyranny was just so extreme. But I never participated in, and I know that they're like Los Angeles, San Francisco, even San Diego, Santa Barbara, these cities that people know that many people have visited on vacation. Beautiful places that have just become, like dictatorships they're just oppressive and hostile, which is so unfortunate. And I call it decline by design or destruction by design. There, there truly is a decimation of these communities there, and people really fell for it, hook, line, and sinker. Another people that reached out to me, one of the states that I was shocked.

At the number of people that reached out to me for help in keeping their jobs without wearing a mask. This is before the vaccines came on the scene and that was North Carolina. So interesting to me because I look at the south and I know that North Carolina has a, has had a democrat mayor for, or governor for some time, but the number of people from that state, it was astounding to me.

And I'm like, what is going on there? And they said we're folk. We are self-sufficient, so we are not used to this kind of oppression and tyranny and authority, and the people are just trying to get help, going to go grocery shopping. And I realized, oh, this is widespread and this is not there. As you say, there is a different agenda at foot and one of the most harmful fallouts of all of this in my view, is even healthy Americans.

People that are freedom fighters. They're still a part of them that for some people they still believe that these governors and even the president and mayors and so forth have the authority to tell you what to do. If a president has no authority to dictate your personal behavior, only laws can do that.

And the same thing for the governor, and I believe that this. Ongoing, the highway signs flashing, stay home, wash your hands stay safe. It was like big brother and people believed that the government had the right to, to restrict their movement in that way, not realizing that there had to be a law.

So one of my taglines became, show me the law. Show me the law. Show me the law that I'm breaking and no one ever could, and I. To your point about the larger stores, they knew that when people would push back that, they have the legal teams and they knew that they could only push so far and that, that was it.

And the smaller business all of the businesses, they were getting money from the government and at least in the state of California. In order to get these Covid funds, they had to agree, for example, to reduce the number of patrons that they served at a restaurant, to have a line outside. So they would only have a few people at a time in the jewelry store.

They willingly went along with this, and that's why I did a full court press on educating businesses on how to stay open, and many of them did successfully, many of them. Fought the good fight. I'll, if I can give you an example in California Yeah, please. A number of restaurants in the county of Ventura, one of the most hard in one of the hardest hit counties in terms of the oppression.

And a couple of these restaurants in a very nice marina area. Very nice elevated customers and so forth. They're like, we are not close down. And I coached them on what to do and how to stay open. And they were the only, there were only one or two restaurants in this area that stayed open and they were doing a booming business.

Okay. They probably made more money in one month than they had in a year, rightly because everything else was shut down. But the county slapped a lawsuit on them, a cease and desist, and get this Dr. Andy, they were accusing them of murder. That's how outlandish these board of, I call 'em, board of stupid advisors.

'cause that was a very stupid thing to do and they thought that they could just throw anything out there and threaten them that they were going to close their business, freeze their bank accounts. That they also said they were a public nuisance. So the restaurant owner made t-shirts saying public nuisance and sold those.

And everybody bought them. So there's always another way to push back against evil. And the good news is that when it came to flinching, the county pulled back and said, okay, I guess these really aren't grounds to. And there was a lot of money and a lot of time, and a lot of energy that went toward people right now that was a clearly a bluff meant to intimidate a bluff.

Because you can't initiate a civil lawsuit for a criminal offense. You have to ask the the prosecuting attorney to prosecute the criminal offense. You can't do it in a civil lawsuit. It was complete bluff. Yeah. And yeah. This is an amazing point and what, I observed something really sinister about how the government essentially, I'm gonna say bribed businesses.

1 To violate people's rights with the airline industry. And I never realized exactly how they did this. And, thank thanks to Leslie Manukian for getting that overturned in federal court. But what, but I learned this when I flew on a private jet not, which I didn't pay for.

Thankfully. Someone flew me down there to speak in Mexico during that time, and I saw that essentially. The airline or the flight staff, they were collecting medical records from you and they were certifying those medical records and then simply answering questions of the actual government customs official or immigration official.

Because the federal employees knew that they can't ask or require private health information, it's against federal law. So they, and now it's against law for the flight staff too, mind you, but they just don't know, and their boss is telling them to do it, and they're getting paid. They might even be getting paid a bonus to do it.

Or they're saying, this is now part of your job. And so they're doing it. They're doing the dirty work illegally, for the government under this very, clever scheme as an end run around actual, making an actual law. That's exactly what played out on so many levels. So the government couldn't do this, so they kicked the can down the road and they used the businesses, the airlines, the medical settings as their henchman.

Basically, they were the long arm of the law. And that's exactly what we experienced. And to this day, there are ongoing lawsuits from employees against the airlines. I have a. Good friend who's a healthy American, and she works for United Airlines. And during those years when they required the suffocation device and later the vaccines, she simply didn't pick up any flights.

She just put them into the trade system and she refused to capitulate. I did help a number of employees and pilots as well at different airlines. Push back against once the vaccines came on the scene. And just a reminder to everyone that you have a right to refuse anything that you object to religiously or on a moral or ethical basis, and you simply inform your employer, who in most cases, the employers are ignorant of the law or they're playing dumb, so that they can either, delay their response.

That's what they would do for a lot of people. Run out the clock. And otherwise they would reject the accommodation saying that they were unable to do and these, there are lots of multimillion dollar. Lawsuits now that are being paid out to people that were discriminated against. So that is definitely a step, turning the tide in the right direction.

Now I want you to repeat that last part again because to make sure everyone who is listening out there understands that. Back in the day, people were afraid they might have capitulated right? And only the most stubborn of us stuck it out and got involved in a lawsuit, and you had to probably scramble and find some other way to make ends meet.

But what are the outcomes of these lawsuits now that have reached verdicts or settlements? Before I answer that, I do wanna just preface it by saying, unfortunately it is very difficult to find attorneys to take these cases. I think now that some of these bigger payouts are coming, which I'll mention in just a moment, that other attorneys are going to say, wow, maybe there's some money in this.

So all along I was actually educating attorneys on these health bill or health laws in the state of California and other places because they were getting calls and inquiries from people that wanted to keep their jobs. And these attorneys, they didn't really know about health codes and all of that.

They were real estate attorneys or contract attorneys or divorce attorneys or what have you. And it's not an area there were wrongful employment attorneys definitely, but many of them didn't want to take the case because yeah, the employee hadn't lost the job. And truthfully, there's no money in helping a person keep their job.

You can charge them a few hundred dollars or something. But where the attorneys make money is they make money in these wrongful termination lawsuits that now are being paid out in the millions of dollars. So there are some ongoing lawsuits against Kaiser, which I have been involved in terms of, strategy and education.

I'm not an attorney. I don't give legal advice, but again, I talk about strategy and the laws and education. We build on the successes of our clients that have, come through and stood their ground. And what's happening now is some of these bigger companies, blue Cross comes to mind. Blue Cross Blue Shield, there are 200 cases.

That are pending less three or four that were already settled. There are dozens and dozens of cases that are being argued right now in court. Now, sometimes there will be employees who were wrongfully terminated, and what that means is they stood up for themselves and they said, I'm not introducing this product into my body and you can't make me.

And I object to it either on religious grounds, I prayed about it or I meditated and God told me not to or, and you don't have to have a traditional religion. You don't have to have any religion. You could just go on your own moral and ethical standing. The law recognizes that if you are able to articulate it in such a way that it is an all encompassing.

Guide to your life and it, frankly, can be a little difficult to do that. We focus mainly on religious views for all different faiths We've had Christian and Muslim and Jewish, and Buddhist and Hindu and all sorts. And the law recognizes that. And I just wanna state again that no one's asking permission.

You're informing your employer that this is something you can't do, and the law requires the employer to accommodate you. Now, here's where these. Employers got really slimy. They would say we don't believe you. That's one of the ways they could deny you is we don't believe you. We don't believe you're honest and trustworthy.

So my argument that I have not heard actually in any of these lawsuits, but I would say to the members of the jury, this employee has worked for the company for 20 years or two years. Or two months, and they obviously were viewed as trustworthy. In a position of responsibility. So you trust the employee to do their job, but you don't trust them when it comes to expressing what's in their soul.

It doesn't make sense. The other way that the employer has rejected this accommodation is they've said that it's too much of a threat. That you could kill someone even though you don't know you have any disease that can be refuted right off the bat because there's no evidence that you've killed anyone.

And that's another strategy that I have freely given, which is request a list of all the people that you have infected, find out what their diagnosis was. Get their addresses so you can send them a condolence note and then actually figure out like what doctor determined that you were the one that infected them.

If you indeed can infect anyone, even in the state of California, there are laws protecting you from being accused of infecting someone. I think that came around in the AIDS era. You have to willingly seek to infect someone and then prove that you did the third way they can deny you, and this is what most of the employers do, they say.

Oh, it is, it's a hardship to accommodate you. We simply cannot right? View a different job assignment or a different schedule, or let you work from home. It can't be done. Even though you've worked from home the last two years, now it's suddenly a hardship. And my advice again, which I have not seen in any of these cases, but I would say, okay, let me get this straight.

It's a hardship to fire me and have my position vacant. And it's not a hardship for you to advertise, recruit, interview, have a whole of, interview, then make a job offer, which may or may not be accepted, and then onboard and train someone to replace me. That's not the hardship. It obviously is.

So all of these, those three approaches are a slam dunk and what the employer has what these cases against the employers in the case of Blue Cross. Has been on the sincerity of the employee's religious belief and the, interestingly, the jury has said the employer is wrong, and obviously this woman that has worked there for 20 years, if she's willing to lose her job over this, that's not sincere.

And that is the, that's the most powerful litmus test of all that if you're willing to lose your job. You obviously were sincere in your beliefs, and I have a little puppy that's having a little playtime. I hope that's all right here. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. We love that. Great. And this is a family show.

It's life and life. We celebrate life and it's happening all around us. So here's the good news. There were some settlements with Blue Cross Blue Shield, meaning they didn't go to a jury, and I'm not giving legal advice, but if it were me, I wouldn't take a settlement. Because it usually requires that you can never talk about it.

You can't talk about how much money you got. You can never talk about how you were wronged. And it does well. That's your choice to do it. And for some people I completely understand taking the settlement there, it's very difficult to be in a lawsuit. I've been in one. Against the county for their misdeeds.

It's very, it costs a lot of money. It costs a lot of, just of your life essence. And I understand if you just wanna put it behind you, take the money and close that chapter, that's your decision. Absolutely. Just know that it doesn't set a precedent like a legal ruling where a has spoken. And they have said you're getting millions of dollars and usually the jury settlements are far more, or the jury awards are far more than the settlements that are done outside of court.

So that's just something to think about. That's right. The other side will not come to the table with an offer unless they're saving money. Exactly. But, and I totally agree with you, Peggy, and I'm also involved in several lawsuits and I'm doing them all myself, no attorneys.

And it is a big undertaking, but it is doable. And actually in these cases, if you wanted to do that, and even if your goal was only to try and get a settlement, you could go into the public record and pull. The actual summons and complaint, which is the lawsuit that was filed that was successful, either, if it's settled you, you can count that as successful and you can pull those records.

They won't be records of the settlement, but there'll be all the other court records and you can go into the ones that were successful by a jury verdict or a bench verdict. And you can essentially copy those, almost word for word, like you have to find one in your state, or if it's in federal court, a federal case, so that it has the right statutes.

But, change your name and the circumstances to your particular circumstance. But this is what lawyers do. So you know, it's not plagiarism per se. And if that lawsuit was successful, then this should, be intimidating enough to at least. Get a settlement or get them, talking to you about something with this.

And I think that's relatively low risk. Like in this case, you don't have a lot to lose. Because you're, you already lost your job. You're not, it's not like a foreclosure or you're gonna owe money at the end. I don't think they would ask for court costs or, legal fees to defend themselves.

'cause it's a very legitimate issue. And other cases of one. So I think you have very little to lose other than perhaps, expecting or being hopeful that you're gonna be winning and then not winning because you can never predict. Sometimes the courts don't follow the law. Of course there's recourse for that you can appeal.

But I've, I've gone into argue emotion and the judge was doing other paperwork while I was speaking and completely ignoring me. You can appeal, but you have to be ready for that kind of possibility. But you can do it. And no matter how you decide to stand up for yourself, I think what we're both saying is you should stand up for yourself Yes.

And not be pushed around in terms of people taking away your fundamental rights. And that's, why we've all come together. Peggy, can you answer one? One kind of big take home point for me. What is the one thing that you wish everyone out there that you're talking to already understood, like something you have to repeat over and over again?

One thing that has really troubled me in these last several years. Many lawmakers kept using the phrase, we follow the science. We're following the science. We have to trust the science, follow the science. And my phrase is, you have to follow the law. And that really rubbed me the wrong way because it's as if science says it's okay, no laws matter.

No logic matters. No rights matter. And that was a type of hypnotism. It was a type of. Spell casting on people to get that phrase out there again and again. And I called them on the carpet at these board of supervisor meetings where they sent, they literally were parroting that, and it really came from Newsom in California over and over.

We're following the science and we have to trust the science. And that's all well and good if you want to study science and look into that, but it can't be in conflict with the law. So I always like to look to the law. There are plenty of unconstitutional laws that should be overthrown.

Ideally, more and more people are waking up to realize that they have, these are like natural born rights. The Constitution doesn't give us rights. These laws don't give us rights. Ideally, they are written to protect these rights that we are born with. And that is really at the basis of what I do.

So start with the law. And we don't need more laws. Actually. I'm not in favor of more laws. I'm in favor of repealing laws and just like we're talking about education. Get rid of all the fluff, and just get back to the.

And then I will help you do that. I will help you learn about the law and stand up for yourself and you don't need my help. Just I didn't know anything about emergency, the Emergency Services Act. I didn't know any of, I did know about the separation of powers. I had studied this was my background.

But in terms of the actual laws on the books, I just did my research. And I have to say, I was guided by the Holy Spirit. Sometimes I would be researching something completely. Nonrelated and Upward Pop, a link or information about a law that I needed. A simple example is somebody asked me how they could go to the DMV.

Breathing oxygen because their driver's license were come. It was coming up for renewal. And again, the hypocrisy of you have to take the mask off to have your picture taken. Of course you're not infectious during that period of time you're not contagious. So I was researching in California about the DMV and all of this, and I found a law in the state of California.

It happened to be in the Department of Motor Vehicles Code of all places, and I know a lot of people don't like the DMV and don't have a driver's license, but the bigger point is that there was a law that actually defined what your religious beliefs and observance and practice consist of in the state of California.

Again, it's odd to think that a government can define what that is for you, but here's what it said, Dr. Andy. It. Your dress is a part of your religious observance. Of course, your days of worship, you could carry something with you like a Bible or in the SEH religion, they carry a dull knife as part of their religious practice.

And it specifically says face coverings. That is the language used in the state of California. And I can't think of the law at the moment, but I have it in all of my documents. And I thought, if the state of California recognizes that covering your face is a part of your religious observance, then me not covering my face is a part of my religious observance because I honor God by breathing his breath of life.

And it was, I was not searching for that. It came up. So I think just immersing yourself, if you're interested in learning about your rights, I've got a lot of free information. At my website, the healthy american.org. I've got a daily show on YouTube where I talk about these things. I've got lots of how-tos, how to get your medical care without getting undergoing the nasal assault as I call it, without being masked.

And of course, without being vaccinated, I don't think people are pushing as much for the vaccines as much, but they are pushing for the masks and the testing as an accommodation. I. If you're not vaccinated, there are ways to skirt that as well. And ideally, this is going to be behind us, but as we're recording, I just got word that the Governor of California issued a state of emergency for the bird flu.

Here we go again. Five.

That point you made about trust the law, follow the law, don't trust the science. It's so important because you can call something science and it may or may not actually be science, and there's no accountability for that whatsoever because you don't have to make something that works. If you're an engineer, the accountability is, does the device work?

And it's very different from the law where the accountability is the court system, right? Where they can interpret the law and they sometimes find that a law is actually no good and they have to completely throw it out. There's no body that we trust or that we vote for, or, put in power that can make those decisions about science.

It's essentially, a free for all of talking heads. And, designated experts. So it has all of the potential in the world for corruption. Now, there's plenty of corruption in the law too, but when you hold them accountable, you can overcome that eventually in most cases. And, that's what you've really highlighted tonight through your own efforts and through the amazing, stick-to-it-ness and attitude of the healthy Americans out there who have.

Fought the fight until they ultimately received justice and hopefully they were compensated adequately. And I want to urge everyone, please do follow Peggy on YouTube at the Healthy American because she doesn't just talk about these topics, but she has actually. Really been a pioneer in independent journalism.

Debunking some of the most important current events that are all really related to this kind of agenda that brought about the planned Demic era as well. So if you wanna learn what's going on and get, information that you will not receive in other places please make sure that you check out her show.

I really appreciate that. That's what I call we have to learn to read between the lies and it is a fear narrative and it makes it difficult for us to think clearly, and we just can apply that to, different issues in our life. And that's what I'm standing for. And I'm grateful for you, Dr.

Andy. You were one of the. Early voices in all of this, and you gave hope to so many people when you spoke the truth about these scientific approaches and things we were told about that were used to instill fear. So I'm really grateful. We've persisted all this time. We're gonna keep going.

That's right. Kindred force for freedom. All right. Everyone, I look forward to seeing you next time on the True Health Podcast. Signing out Dr. Andy Kaufman.